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HIDDEN CAMERA: Buying Machine Guns without Background Checks?

John Porter  Wednesday January 27 2016

If you’re a leftist who believes other leftists, it’s probable you think guns (even fully automatic ones) can easily be purchased without a background check. You hold this notion for a simple reason: your leftist leaders in political circles reaching as high as the White House, say such silly things as “Guns are easier to buy than books.” A myth which is as true as receiving a college scholarship from the tooth fairy.

To prove how wrong leftists are about guns, we took a hidden camera to gun shows and gun dealers. We tried weaseling through the “gun show loophole” and even tried getting automatic weapons without background checks. It went as well as anyone who’s ever purchased a gun legally would expect it to go.

Highlights:

  • Nobody was able, nor willing, to sell us a fully automatic weapon. The lengthy process is described in the video. It’s not easy. It’s actually really, really hard.
  • The gun show loophole is a myth. What Obama and Bernie are referring to are already illegal practices, as seen by the hilarious reactions of gun salesman at the gun shows.
  • There is no way to purchase a firearm at a qualified store without a background check. It doesn’t happen. Again, watch the hilarious video.

We’ve already covered how the gun show loophole was a giant myth and a distraction, but this realllly puts it into perspective. Guns are not easy to buy. Guns are so difficult to buy, we nearly got arrested for trying to buy guns the way Obama says people by guns. Which means, Obama is, as we already knew, a giant lair. He hates your Second Amendment rights almost as much as he hates people who work for a living.

What do you think? Should I have tried harder? Tweet me at @scrowder.

Comments
  1. Richard January 27, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    Why am i hearing TWO sound tracks at the same time?
    VERY annoying, ruins the video.

    • Jon January 27, 2016 at 8:44 pm

      Don’t worry Richard, soon we will have a single sound track system, but as always, if you like your sound track you can keep it.

  2. Jon January 27, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    I think this is your funniest video ever. Even funnier than you dressed as a muslim man getting slapped around by a woman.

  3. phillip corrie January 27, 2016 at 8:41 pm

    Liberals don’t care. They know full well that uninformed people are sheep, and easily led. I’ve worked as a dealer AT a gunshow, and we had people try to do this too. We only sold class-2 (non automatic weapons), and actually had to get short with a couple of people. No one sold weapons like the liberals say we did. We would go to jail.

  4. Jim January 27, 2016 at 9:01 pm

    What Richard said, above….
    Would have liked to have watched the video, but that droning “London 101” video narrative drowns you out…..

  5. Robert S Moulds January 27, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    Steven you are not proving anything any one selling guns at a gun show needs a license to sell guns. America is no longer a lawless frontier nor the wild west. Though I’m sure they are still places one could still avoid the back ground check. Never the less they are 20,000 gun control laws in the United States. Only 2% of the population have hand gun permits. The second amendment was only for a well regulated militia the problem of crime seems to be more than just illegal guns, gun control oversight, drugs, poor education, the gap between rich and poor or even the media (TV movies the web).

    • Zachary Ellinger January 27, 2016 at 11:35 pm

      “I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” – Speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 14, 1778

      “That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.” – Virginia Declaration of Rights, June 12, 1776

      Richard Henry Lee, Anti-Federalist

      “A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves… and include all men capable of bearing arms. . . To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms… The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle.” – Letters From the Federal Farmer to the Republican, Letter XVIII, January 25, 1788

      “(W)hereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it.” – Federal Farmer, Anti-Federalist Letter, No.18, The Pennsylvania Gazette, February 20, 1788

      “No free government was ever founded, or ever preserved its liberty, without uniting the characters of the citizen and soldier in those destined for the defense of the state…such area well-regulated militia, composed of the freeholders, citizen and husbandman, who take up arms to preserve their property, as individuals, and their rights as freemen.” – Richard Henry Lee, State Gazette (Charleston), September 8, 1788

      Samuel Adams

      So stop with the “The second amendment was only for a well regulated militia”. It just shows your Ignorance.

      • Bryan January 28, 2016 at 9:05 am

        Exactly, Zachary, thank you. A well-regulated (trained) militia is essential to preservation of liberty and freedom from tyranny. In fact, I would go so far as to say that those law-abiding citizens who OPPOSE gun ownership and refuse to own and train themselves with a gun are in the wrong in this country, and should be ashamed of themselves for their behavior.

        • jon January 28, 2016 at 11:51 am

          bryan what about someone who agrees that all law abiding us citizens have a right to a gun and yet do not feel comfortable owning a gun should that person be ashamed

    • Big Daddy January 31, 2016 at 5:10 pm

      I suggest you re-read the 2A. Use a period instead of the commas in there, they wrote differently then. Read some of the writings of the founding fathers, it will come to you in one of those moments that make you go Oh I get it now.

  6. Robert S Moulds January 27, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    Steven you are not proving anything any one selling guns at a gun show needs a license to sell guns. America is no longer a lawless frontier nor the wild west. Though I’m sure they are still places one could still avoid the back ground check. Never the less they are 20,000 gun control laws in the United States. Only 2% of the population have hand gun permits. The second amendment was only for a well regulated militia the problem of crime seems to be more than just illegal guns, gun control oversight, drugs, poor education, the gap between rich and poor or even the media (TV movies the web). Of course you can always use a 3D printer and make a receiver for a gun. Buy airgun or airsoft convert them.

    • George Steele January 28, 2016 at 12:46 am

      Wow, Moulds, are you uninformed. No, the Second Amendment was not intended exclusively for state militia – the Supreme Court has ruled, clearly and unequivocally, that the Second Amendment right is an INDIVIDUAL right. It says the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. PEOPLE – as in We the People. As in the PEOPLE in the First, Fourth, and Ninth Amendments, all of which refer to the individual – not the state. The mentioning of the Militia relates to historical English Law wherein individual people were REQUIRED to own weapons so that they could be called up by the state if needed, in defense of the homeland. It’s not subject to discussion – it’s settled law; read the Heller Decision. No amount of denial changes that. It won’t even help if you learn to write English properly – you are wrong on the facts.

    • Bake January 28, 2016 at 1:41 pm

      Molds, you are WAY off. This is how a militia works. lets say we are invaded, or our government turns on us. Millions of vets and hunters and other men will join together to form many militias. What good would it be if they all showed up unarmed, or under armed? THAT is why the right of the individual to own the gun of his choice must not be infringed. Are we to fight off an enemy, either foreign or domestic with shotguns? That is why we need AR 15`s and other good guns. How well regulated would a militia be if everyone only had a pistol, or a shotgun? THE RIGHT TO BARE ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Just because technology changed doesn`t mean the 2nd amendment changed.The gun of the day back then was a single shot muzzle loader. The gun of the day today is an AR or ANY other gun a person wants.

  7. Grace January 27, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    Did Obama really say “much laxer laws”…UGH….

  8. Matt January 27, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    Good video, but what I’ve experienced at gun shows, as the so-called gun show loop-hole, is the sale of fire-arms between private individuals (or, private sale of fire-arms between individuals, whichever makes more sense).

    If you buy/try to buy a gun from an FFL dealer, you’re going to have to get a background check. But, at some gun shows you’ll see a few people walking around with a gun(s) for sale who are not FFL dealers and are advertising their sale as a private sale and as such doesn’t require a background check. I’ve even seen booths where the booth owner is advertising “private sales.”

    For what it’s worth, I’m a gun owner, and against most additional gun ownership. I just think this video is a little misleading/cherry-picking as of course you can’t buy a gun from an FFL dealer without a background check.

    • D January 28, 2016 at 8:51 pm

      Can’t be done LEGALLY and it DOESN’T HAPPEN!! For any private sale in NY and other communist states, both parties must be in the presence of an FFL and the FFL does a NICS check on the buyer. I can tell you right now YOU are not who you say you are with your bullshit “private sales” sign!! There is NO private sales and quite honestly, the govt has NO business being in ANYONES PRIVATE SALE OF THEIR OWN PROPERTY!! Such a move is the govt infringing on personal property rights!! This govt has FAR been operating outside it’s intended boudaries!!! Over 20,000 gun laws on the books now and only until the democraps are in power do we see this “gun violence” in the level we see!! You’re a fraud Matt. Don’t give people wrong information and PRETEND to be a law abiding gun owner!! You are NOT!!

  9. Pam Fegley January 27, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    Then where the HELL are they getting the guns, ASSHOLE?

    • Zachary Ellinger January 27, 2016 at 11:45 pm

      Well the Obama administration sold a couple thousand to the Mexican Cartels. Just Google “Fast and Furious gun running”. Also unfortunately people who buy firearms and give them to felons are rarely prosecuted. In both the cases of that illegal immigrant shooting that lady in California, and the Muslim who shot the police officer in Philadelphia the firearms were stolen from law enforcement officers. So the answer is there are many extralegal methods of acquiring firearms. Heck just look at the Paris shootings. France has highly stringent gun control laws and those perpetrators still acquired military grade firearms.

    • Dodsfall January 28, 2016 at 12:49 am

      The concept is very simple. Criminals are getting firearms illegally. More laws will not change that fact.

  10. Ger January 27, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    that was so funny (f** liberals) I almost peed myself, oh wait, I think I did. oh,nope sorry, just spilled some martini. 🙂

  11. JR January 28, 2016 at 12:14 am

    I thought the video was funny and liberals are are idiots. Criminals do not care about the law. Sure you might be able to buy one off the streets from criminals, but to say there’s the gun show loophole cracks me up. I see where it could be private sale individuals…but the FFL dealers aren’t gonna risk it. Just another excuse to disarm America. SMDH.

  12. Dennis January 28, 2016 at 12:51 am

    That isn’t filmed at a gun show. And no, we do not believe guns can be purchased without a background check, we believe the background checks cannot determine a buyers mental stability.

    • Giles Redferne January 28, 2016 at 1:26 am

      Not all of it was filmed at a gun show, it was also filmed at pawn shops and gun shops.

    • Bobby January 28, 2016 at 10:02 am

      Dennis, portions of his video where, in fact, filmed at a Gun Show. Steven was at the Crown Point fairgrounds, where they regularly have gun shows. How do I know this you ask? I’m from Indiana and live extremely close to the fairgrounds. I recognized the building and several dealers immediately.

  13. Giles Redferne January 28, 2016 at 1:23 am

    That is not the gun show loop hole I heard about. The one I heard about is anyone can get a booth at the show and sell guns without a license, hence no background check needed from them. Any truth to this matter?

    • J. Smith January 28, 2016 at 3:05 am

      The legality of Private Party sales varies by state.

    • D January 28, 2016 at 8:55 pm

      Absolutely WRONG!! Cannot be done at a gun show. I have purchased guns at a gun show from a person that was NOT a FFL dealer. I had to fill out a NICS background check through a FFL there at the show and pay the FFL a $10 fee on top of the purchase price I paid the private seller. I don’t care because I am NOT a criminal but if you ask anti-American democraps … because I’m a gun owner, I’m a criminal!!

    • Bill March 10, 2016 at 10:02 pm

      I’ve been to a lot of gun shows and all dealers did the background check but there also were booths of individuals selling guns directly WITHOUT background checks. I’m in Ohio.

  14. Bob Martin January 28, 2016 at 8:07 am

    I bought a full auto sub machine gun a few years back. I had to go through a simple background check, pay a $200 license fee, then wait 7 months for the ATF to clear the transfer. The big stumbling block to buying full auto weapons is the price. Mine (a very cheap one) for me $5,000 But m16 and other popular models with cost you $20,000 or more.

  15. Pamela January 28, 2016 at 9:03 am

    I love this video. I hate that liberals sit around and lie without abandon, and then their followers quote them like it’s gospel truth.

  16. Wally Fulton January 28, 2016 at 10:57 am

    One major thing that is left out of this Video is that there is so many illegal to own weapons on the streets today that are sold “under the counter” and a background check doesn’t mean a thing to any person wanting a gun of any type.
    I know that if you live in California there are so many illegals here from across the border who can get you anything that you want just ask. Sad but true.

  17. Bake January 28, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    A fact the libs miss is this. There is over 60 million unregistered guns on the streets and in the hands of illegal gun runners and sellers. If a person can not buy a gun legally at a gun show, gun store, pawn shop etc, then they will just go to the streets to buy a gun. It really IS simple. The government KNOWS this also. Their laws requiring background checks will do ZERO to stop bad people from getting guns, ZIP, NADA. The background check, the permits to carry concealed (unconstitutional)etc are just back door registration, in case they ,someday, think they can confiscate the guns.The government knows it will never get the guns, and I shutter to think what they could come up with to disable the population. Power grid, disease?If the power grid went down, with in two months most people would be starving and ready to cave in.

  18. B Turner January 28, 2016 at 2:04 pm

    Pretty much made a FOOL out of the Pres! Good for them.

  19. Catchacluepeople January 28, 2016 at 2:10 pm

    That pretty much proved absolutely NOTHING.

  20. william January 28, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    I’m far from anti-gun. I grew up in the country with a lot of livestock, we utilized firearms for protection as well as for sport. I’ve been a peace officer for three years. I carry on duty, I carry off duty, and keep a firearm in both mine and my fiance’s vehicle.

    That being said, this type of video proves nothing, and actually hurts your cause by being so blatantly bias. It’s not disputable, people buy weapons all the time without licensing and background checks. Dealers are not as likely to do that, especially when this guy is giving them every reason to believe he’s not on the level. But it happens often enough, that I know from experience.

    In short, don’t represent misinformation as fact, because it makes your argument and position weaker by proxy.

    • L. Woods January 28, 2016 at 8:15 pm

      The video actually proves quite a bit. It is not misinformation. It shows that the majority of people have a misconception of firearms.

      • Truthsayer January 29, 2016 at 2:36 pm

        Then you broke the law…

  21. Erich January 28, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    He only tried purchasing from FFL dealers. I’d like to see the unedited video where private sellers were happy to sell without a NICS check. I have legally purchased and sold at gun shows without a background check.

    • L. Woods January 28, 2016 at 8:12 pm

      It is still hard! If you say you have made straw purchases, (without background checks), in most every state, straw purchases are NOT LEGAL. Are you admitting you are breaking the law?

  22. Jonathan January 28, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    I find it so funny when people bring up “the wild wild west’ in a negative term. The “wild west” was the most peaceful time in the US history.
    Too much TV you turn nuggets.

  23. tom middleton January 28, 2016 at 8:36 pm

    um.. aside from the fact that in one of the stores you walked into a wall was adorned with various automatic rifles that had price tags dangling from them.. walking into a shop and yelling, i need a gun right now, shows you possess the journalistic integrity of a hotdog. also, weapons sales and purchases are regulated by states. it’s not difficult to get an automatic weapon, but it’s a process. even in the strictest of states the process is as easy as getting a passport or getting a driver’s license.

    Step 1-You must find a dealer with a Class III FFL
    Step 2-You must make your application to both the federal gov’t and your local chief law enforcement officer
    Step 3-Pay the $200 tax stamp
    Step 4-Take posession of your weapon

    • Rob January 28, 2016 at 10:45 pm

      Tom- You obviously don’t know the difference between an automatic and a semi-automatic… learn some basics about guns before you spout your bullshit like you know what you are talking about. Just because a gun looks like a “machine gun” doesn’t mean it is automatic.

  24. Michael K January 29, 2016 at 12:56 am

    I don’t know about other States,but I do know about Arizona and the Gun Shows here. If you go, which I have many times, there are mostly Dealers which always require a background checks. But there are some “Private Sellers”, that are there selling their weapons and they Do Not require a background check. They have to ask a question, will you use this weapon that is against the law. That is it.. That is the loophole.. There are many Private sellers that are making it bad for the Honest Gun Sellers and have a license to sell. The ones that are Private are selling without a licence and make it a habit in selling at the Gun Shows. I have witnessed this and even though a low percentage, any weapons that are supposed to sell a weapon here or there, are making a business of doing so which is breaking the law and they hide in these gun shows and make a living doing so. So please understand that every person in this video he went to were legit businesses that abide by the law, not the ones that don’t. So being a gun owner, I will always go to a legit seller, that will do a background check… My opinion is that legit sellers that follow the law need to speak up to the people running these gun shows because it brings dishonest people there..

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/19/news/guns-background-checks/

    • Nobody of Import January 29, 2016 at 10:23 am

      @Michael K: You should be embarrassed for yourself for propagating a falsehood there.

      1) A private seller can dispatch all of his collection, yes.
      2) The problem begins when they try to sell more than a couple of weapons at a time.
      3) A private seller still can’t sell anything covered by the need for a Class III License.
      4) Sell too many at one point in time and a BATFE agent (who are *always* undercover at shows…bet on it.) will come up and shut you down for breaking the law (You could at a show bring up, oh say, 20-30 firearms as private collection sale, but mass numbers like you’re implying…not as such, you’ll just get busted for selling without a license when it’s clear you’re dealing and not private sale…)

      Best be honest about this instead of shovelling BS like you just did.

  25. Estaban January 29, 2016 at 2:33 am

    Do you seriously think this video is legit? You are an idiot!

  26. Nobody of Import January 29, 2016 at 10:26 am

    Regarding private sale, videos not being legit and the like…

    1) Private sale is typically limited to 20 or so firearms at a sale and you WILL NOT be able to legally sell a Class 3 covered item to someone without a lot of paperwork and verification of license regardless. It’s illegal to sell automatic weapons without a Class 3 permit and you can’t buy them without a bunch of paperwork, and a tax stamp or a Class 3 permit.

    2) Videography within the confines of a state which has one party recording by law is legit, regardless of how you feel about it. Sorry. DEAL.

  27. Jule January 29, 2016 at 12:56 pm

    Ridiculous, of course you can make a video like that, just as you can have a video like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQEDvqmAfqg Not against guns, just automatics, they are never used for game hunting… just for hunting people. I’m all for hunting or pistols for protection but automatics? Anyone selling automatics should first be forced to watch the police videos that are to graphic from Newtown of 5 and 6 year olds blown to pieces!

    • j January 29, 2016 at 4:53 pm

      No automatic weapons were used at Newtown. Maybe you mean semi-automatic weapons, but people have used those for hunting ever since they were invented in the late 1800’s, so……..

  28. Guy Bodart January 30, 2016 at 5:03 am

    I think you can buy a rifle from a private party without background check.
    But I do not see the point to do that!

  29. Big Daddy January 31, 2016 at 4:48 pm

    People outside of free states believe this. they never legally bought a gun and they do not know the process. these people are lying, outright lies. I did not know the process until I moved to a state that follows out constitution and bought guns.

    People need to be educated about their rights and what the constitution says. It’s in black and white so to speak shall not be infringed and it has nothing to do with a militia.

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  31. Adam February 3, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    That’s stupid. “I’m going to go out of my way to be suspicious.” Man, I wouldn’t have sold him a sandwich with the questions he was asking.

  32. northierthanthou February 4, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    This video proves nothing but that you live in a world of constant self-parody.

  33. Christine smith February 5, 2016 at 3:09 am

    Cdsmitty1115. I wonder if there is a loophole if you are buying a special someone a gift such as a firearm? I’m sure that is a loophole people.

  34. azz February 8, 2016 at 3:33 am

    Hey what happened to two videos per day? Did you crap out and welch on another promise Crowder?

  35. S February 9, 2016 at 4:49 pm

    Zachary Ellinger, thank you.

  36. daves February 28, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    It’s not against the law for a private seller to sell without a background check. The people you talked to were licensed dealers. And many private sellers use the background check system. This is my understanding of the law anyway. Am I wrong?

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